moved from the Lower East Side as if they were moving to the country. The subways were new and Brownsville was considered a step up.
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Was everybody Jewish?
Iâd say, 90 percent Jews, 10 percent Italians.
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How about your parents, Max and Annie â what do you remember?
My father bringing tailoring home and standing over a pair of pants. He worked two jobs, moonlighted. Everybody worked two jobs or three. There were six kids! Heâd do alterations to make extra money. And my mother always stood over the soup pot and she swatted us as we ran by. I remember that and her advice when I was older: âNever spend your life in worriment.â Worriment! What a word. Every day she would threaten to jump out the window. Every day I would talk her out of it. That was my job as number-one son. Once a week, a letter arrived from Germany or Poland or wherever the border happened to be. My father read it aloud to my mother in Yiddish. It came from the shtetl. A place called Czkower, I think. My parents lived in two worldsâBrownsville and Czkower. I think Czkower was more real to them.
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When did you get interested in music?
It was Sammy Levinson who showed me a whole other kind of life. He had music lessons, an Amati violin. He played MFâmit feeling. His family paid for him to study. My father expected me to bring money home. I had one lesson at the New York Music Schoolâa fly-by-night place that later went out of business. One lesson! After that, we got gigsâweddings, bar mitzvahs, golden weddings. My father said: âYouâre already making a leeving, why waste money on lessons?â (He also hid my letter of admission to City College. Years later, I learned this and was furious.) He needed me to help support the family. He didnât see the point of college. At the golden weddings, we played all the old chestnuts: âJust a Garden in the Rainâ and âOh How We Danced on the Night We Were Wed.â I decided I never wanted a golden wedding. Iâd rather be dead. And Russian dancesâalways Russian dancesâespecially at the weddings. They danced the kazatska till they fell down.
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How did you fall in love with show business?
When Sammy and I were in high school, it was still burlesque. 8 snows 8 [he writes it on a napkin]. When Hersheyâs with the nuts inside was launched they had a gimmick. There was supposed to be a dollar in every ten barsâso we sold candy like it was going out of style. It wasnât trueâof course. You never actually saw a dollar, but people are gullible for giveaways. They believed it. So we hung out at the burlesque and got fifty cents for every dollar we sold. Nice margins.
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Why did you tell me never to follow a dog act?
Because in vaudeville you canât compete with dogs and little kids. Also, itâs a lousy spot on the billâin the middle. You want the last spotâor the first. Never the middle. Burlesque kept going through the twenties. The skits were unbelievably stupid by even todayâs television standards. But the rule held: You had skits, dogs, a magician, the strip show, the headliner. Youâd never follow a dog act. Anyway, I was always in the band.
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Why did you change your name?
When I was twenty, I joined the unionâlocal 802. Seymour Mann and his orchestra sounded goodâbut also there was another reason. There was a crook named Izzy Weisman in the union, whoâd been involved in some scandal. So Weisman was not a good name to have in local 802. I liked the ring of Seymour Mann and his band. You couldnât sound Jewish in show business then. Cohen became King. Moskowitz became Moss. Rabinowitz became Ross. Goldfish became Goldwyn. Ethnic wasnât in yet.
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Where did you meet Eda?
At a place called Utopia in the Catskill Mountains. It really was called Utopia. It was a family resort near Ellenville in âThe Mountains.â Your mother wore a
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